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		<title>Comment on In2Concessions&#8230; by cloaknbadger</title>
		<link>http://in2thefray.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/in2concessions/#comment-4356</link>
		<dc:creator>cloaknbadger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can be happy for you. ;)

Although the glass is half full to me no matter who wins; cause at least it will be some degree of improvement over King George.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can be happy for you. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Although the glass is half full to me no matter who wins; cause at least it will be some degree of improvement over King George.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In2Concessions&#8230; by Marc</title>
		<link>http://in2thefray.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/in2concessions/#comment-4352</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, when i meant media i meant the media as a whole. NYT may be pro-Obama (though they aren't always pro-left as some would charge) other news outlets have definitely been favorable to mccain. On the whole though I'd expect NYT to hang Obama out to dry if any real shit hit the fan, say like a billclinton/lewinsky moment; so in the end they aren't even loyal to their own values, just the sensationalist aspects of the news.

As for Obama's organization, even as a Dem I hope the Republicans adopt, assuming they use it honestly, or more honestly than Dick Cheney would have. Actually, alot of Obama's structure is modeled off of Bush. "We" language, going viral, use of surrogates to say what the candidate really wants to say... etc. 

My hope for both parties's use is just in the involvement and heightened discussion it brings along with. As for the voter blindness, as the new paradigm gets more typical we can only expect that people will become more informed, its the empowerment though that right now gets them really charged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, when i meant media i meant the media as a whole. NYT may be pro-Obama (though they aren&#8217;t always pro-left as some would charge) other news outlets have definitely been favorable to mccain. On the whole though I&#8217;d expect NYT to hang Obama out to dry if any real shit hit the fan, say like a billclinton/lewinsky moment; so in the end they aren&#8217;t even loyal to their own values, just the sensationalist aspects of the news.</p>
<p>As for Obama&#8217;s organization, even as a Dem I hope the Republicans adopt, assuming they use it honestly, or more honestly than Dick Cheney would have. Actually, alot of Obama&#8217;s structure is modeled off of Bush. &#8220;We&#8221; language, going viral, use of surrogates to say what the candidate really wants to say&#8230; etc. </p>
<p>My hope for both parties&#8217;s use is just in the involvement and heightened discussion it brings along with. As for the voter blindness, as the new paradigm gets more typical we can only expect that people will become more informed, its the empowerment though that right now gets them really charged.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In2Concessions&#8230; by in2thefray</title>
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		<dc:creator>in2thefray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc how do you feel about the controversy of the NYT refusing to print McCains op-ed secondary to it not towing their line. That is a great and latest incident of bias.
2nd and 3rd I agree with you. 
As for the final para you are spot on. Dean,Paul and Obama....will the GOP learn if there is a fourth example ? Of course it will take an Obama election to prove the new paradigm works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc how do you feel about the controversy of the NYT refusing to print McCains op-ed secondary to it not towing their line. That is a great and latest incident of bias.<br />
2nd and 3rd I agree with you.<br />
As for the final para you are spot on. Dean,Paul and Obama&#8230;.will the GOP learn if there is a fourth example ? Of course it will take an Obama election to prove the new paradigm works.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In2Concessions&#8230; by Marc</title>
		<link>http://in2thefray.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/in2concessions/#comment-4350</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kind of abhor any characterizations of the media having a bias one way or the other, just the characterization that it is composed of windbags looking for the more sensational story, and less the truthful one.

McCain has done himself no favors either.

As for Obama, eh, he's as lukewarm of a candidate as far as the issues go for the Democrats as they've always put out; just his message is different.

No, less his message, his reach. See the difference between Obama and McCain is that he's smart enough to know that if you let people become involved they'll become excited and often, conveniently blind to the facts. My.BarackObama.com, Obama fellowships, huge rallies, the "we" and "us" language. Keep in mind I say this as a supporter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kind of abhor any characterizations of the media having a bias one way or the other, just the characterization that it is composed of windbags looking for the more sensational story, and less the truthful one.</p>
<p>McCain has done himself no favors either.</p>
<p>As for Obama, eh, he&#8217;s as lukewarm of a candidate as far as the issues go for the Democrats as they&#8217;ve always put out; just his message is different.</p>
<p>No, less his message, his reach. See the difference between Obama and McCain is that he&#8217;s smart enough to know that if you let people become involved they&#8217;ll become excited and often, conveniently blind to the facts. My.BarackObama.com, Obama fellowships, huge rallies, the &#8220;we&#8221; and &#8220;us&#8221; language. Keep in mind I say this as a supporter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In2thefray:Obama,Chavez and Iran&#8230; by Alfie</title>
		<link>http://in2thefray.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/in2thefrayobamachavez-and-iran/#comment-4349</link>
		<dc:creator>Alfie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hardly applicable all things considered.Although Obama has a state legislature record of pro gang stance he holds himself well.Would you say the same of McCain in relation to beer drinkers and stereotypical white trailer trash ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hardly applicable all things considered.Although Obama has a state legislature record of pro gang stance he holds himself well.Would you say the same of McCain in relation to beer drinkers and stereotypical white trailer trash ?</p>
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		<title>Comment on In2the New Yorker cartoon fray&#8230; by cloaknbadger</title>
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		<dc:creator>cloaknbadger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Muslims don't like the Danish drawings, the liberals are down on the New Yorker and conservatives have problems with WALL-E...seems a cartoon can't please anyone anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Muslims don&#8217;t like the Danish drawings, the liberals are down on the New Yorker and conservatives have problems with WALL-E&#8230;seems a cartoon can&#8217;t please anyone anymore.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In2the New Yorker cartoon fray&#8230; by the Grit</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Grit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi A,

Like the new look.  I would also point out that I was listening to the Devo tune, "Mongoloid," when I clicked over, which seems most appropriate.  Funny how these things work.

the Grit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi A,</p>
<p>Like the new look.  I would also point out that I was listening to the Devo tune, &#8220;Mongoloid,&#8221; when I clicked over, which seems most appropriate.  Funny how these things work.</p>
<p>the Grit</p>
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		<title>Comment on In2thefray:Obama,Chavez and Iran&#8230; by goodtimepolitics</title>
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		<dc:creator>goodtimepolitics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sure hope Obama dress nice over across the pond..we  don't need the same type image that Obama's home town and surrounding areas has! :)
http://xrl.us/nphe8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure hope Obama dress nice over across the pond..we  don&#8217;t need the same type image that Obama&#8217;s home town and surrounding areas has! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<a href="http://xrl.us/nphe8" rel="nofollow">http://xrl.us/nphe8</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Monday Mount Up: &#8220;Fuck off&#8221; is still an F,but not a zero&#8230; by Free to think, free to believe...</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free to think, free to believe...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A marker will have a list of items that get points - we have, at long last, departed from getting up to 5% for name and exam no.

If someone thinks that this answer shows something on the list then the marker should respond appropriately. An F is for Frelling {Farscape talk for ...} So it could be argued that the grade given reflects the answer given.

I sat the 'O' Level - ie the one before the GCSE and the major difference between then and now is that instead of giving grades out on performance compared to others - ie the top 10% of answers got top grade and so on - it is now based on marking schemes - ie if such skill is shown then such mark which turns into this grade... This move more than anything has stopped the tests from separating folk in a meaningful manner - if the tests are easier and thus it is also easier to display required stuff to get a good grade then the slight differences in marks are not used to differentiate between ever bigger hordes getting better grades.

I'll say this - How do we know the teacher did their work? I would say you could say 'use of profanity shows no concept for any criteria given' and that would solve all your problems over manners - what it doesn't is answer the question of why has somebody given such an answer in an exam - could it be that the education system betrayed them?

As in the old days - universities in the UK were recognized as having different levels of standards and some are still respected - as are some universities from the states (probably a stereotypical few that are well known ... ) and now as we virtually feed 'students' into universities over here they are becoming less able to do what they used to. And standards are falling...

Partly because the 'A' level also doesn't now distinguish between performances as the GCSE doesn't and so they find it harder to grade the level of offers for acceptance of students and that now bums on seats determines funding - so take even the dullest and just do the best with them and don't forget to take the money because the department is struggling... of course this then makes it more dificult to maintain high standards throughout the institution... 

To make things even worse the government - about to fail the failing universities - is wondering 'how' to make it so that those 'youngsters' stay within academia as long as a first degree [not grade - just get them through one degree for fuck's sake - and that's seems to be a literal sense of the government's position] then get a good grade so they can then be a 'happy' part of society and pay taxes - within this minefield of meanings there has not been an appreciation of academic rigour. And so the universities are responding in like manner to secure their funding.

I hope this comment is neither too long or ruins your idea for a posting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A marker will have a list of items that get points - we have, at long last, departed from getting up to 5% for name and exam no.</p>
<p>If someone thinks that this answer shows something on the list then the marker should respond appropriately. An F is for Frelling {Farscape talk for &#8230;} So it could be argued that the grade given reflects the answer given.</p>
<p>I sat the &#8216;O&#8217; Level - ie the one before the GCSE and the major difference between then and now is that instead of giving grades out on performance compared to others - ie the top 10% of answers got top grade and so on - it is now based on marking schemes - ie if such skill is shown then such mark which turns into this grade&#8230; This move more than anything has stopped the tests from separating folk in a meaningful manner - if the tests are easier and thus it is also easier to display required stuff to get a good grade then the slight differences in marks are not used to differentiate between ever bigger hordes getting better grades.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say this - How do we know the teacher did their work? I would say you could say &#8216;use of profanity shows no concept for any criteria given&#8217; and that would solve all your problems over manners - what it doesn&#8217;t is answer the question of why has somebody given such an answer in an exam - could it be that the education system betrayed them?</p>
<p>As in the old days - universities in the UK were recognized as having different levels of standards and some are still respected - as are some universities from the states (probably a stereotypical few that are well known &#8230; ) and now as we virtually feed &#8217;students&#8217; into universities over here they are becoming less able to do what they used to. And standards are falling&#8230;</p>
<p>Partly because the &#8216;A&#8217; level also doesn&#8217;t now distinguish between performances as the GCSE doesn&#8217;t and so they find it harder to grade the level of offers for acceptance of students and that now bums on seats determines funding - so take even the dullest and just do the best with them and don&#8217;t forget to take the money because the department is struggling&#8230; of course this then makes it more dificult to maintain high standards throughout the institution&#8230; </p>
<p>To make things even worse the government - about to fail the failing universities - is wondering &#8216;how&#8217; to make it so that those &#8216;youngsters&#8217; stay within academia as long as a first degree [not grade - just get them through one degree for fuck's sake - and that's seems to be a literal sense of the government's position] then get a good grade so they can then be a &#8216;happy&#8217; part of society and pay taxes - within this minefield of meanings there has not been an appreciation of academic rigour. And so the universities are responding in like manner to secure their funding.</p>
<p>I hope this comment is neither too long or ruins your idea for a posting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on In2going2thebeach by cloaknbadger</title>
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		<dc:creator>cloaknbadger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watch out for jellyfish and obese thong wearers!</description>
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