In2 Holy Koh !!!
Sometime reader /commenter Elric 66 felt compelled to share a link today highlighting the outrage that is the Obama appointment of Harold Koh to be the legal counsel to the US State Dept.
I have two feelings about this initially and will gladly share them now.
The first feeling is that the NY Post et al outrage towards Koh specifically on the Sharia bit is a black eye for the Right and the future credible critiques of this guy. The NY Post used to make it a point to celebrate some lineage to Alexander Hamilton. Well reporting like this is about as helpful to Mr. Hamilton as his last meeting with Mr. Burr was.
The Posts big tag of Koh and Sharia law is an unsubstantiated overheard and poorly commented handoff from a Koh staffer. The thing is attacking him on being pro Sharia is easily refuted by looking back at some 2007 House testimony he gave.
The human rights situation in Iran is increasingly disturbing. Although a great percentage of the Iranian people support democratic reform, the country remains in the hands of the conservative clerics, who closely monitor and restrict the opposition and the press, punish human rights defenders, and impose a strict form of Sharia law that denies women and minorities basic rights. This year, Iranian government shut down two independent newspapers and blocked access to many media internet sites. Yet the U.S. saber-rattling approach has blunted its ability to gain human rights leverage. In criticizing Iran for its “severe restriction of the right of citizens to change their government peacefully,” the report uses stronger language than is found in the reports for Syria and Saudi Arabia, which have arguably similar levels of restrictions on the right to change the government.
and in a footnote addressing that further
As the Iran Report notes: “Human rights problems included severe restriction of the right of citizens to change their government peacefully unjust executions after reportedly unfair trials; disappearances; torture and severe officially sanctioned punishments such as death by stoning; flogging; excessive use of force against demonstrators; violence by vigilante groups with ties to the government; poor prison conditions; arbitrary arrest and detention; lack of judicial independence; lack of fair public trials; political prisoners and detainees; severe restrictions on civil liberties including speech, press, assembly, association, movement, and privacy; severe restrictions on freedom of religion; official corruption; violence and legal and societal discrimination against women, ethnic and religious minorities, and homosexuals; incitement to anti- Semitism.”
Now the second feeling I have is where hopefully this guy gets taken down. Sadly it is a cornerstone of the bloc he gets his support from.
This guy is very pro ICC. He is against the American Service Members Protection Act of 2002. He is very pro ICC. I just think that one really deserves to be repeated.
Anyway it is in the way of human rights that this guy hangs his hat and gets his support. The fact that he paralleled that into years of Bush bashing didn’t hurt his case with the Left in the slightest. He is obviously a pretty sharp guy and has fans that hope to see him go to SCOTUS some day. (some soon) This is also the area in which he exhibits an inexcusable level of naivete. He actually rails against many governments around the globe, many in a way that the even best Right Wing-nut would applaud. The sad thing is he actually believes so much in organizations like the ICJ and ICC being the solution. Hahahahaha!!!
Anyway there it is. My initial rant on Koh. I say he’s a scary choice and a scary entity to have climbing the ladder to SCOTUS.
************Anyway I’ve returned to notice I failed to offer the link to the pdf. http://www.internationalrelations.house.gov/hearing_notice.asp?id=800
linkage
The comment that inspired the post
This scares me more……..
Fantastic! Obama’s Top Legal Pick Says Sharia Law Should be Applied in US Courts, Wants Judges to Apply “World Law”…..http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/03/fantastic-obamas-top-legal-pick-says-sharia-law-should-be-applied-in-us-courts-wants-judges-to-apply.html
Not that Obama’s marxist agenda doesnt scare me. This guy is attacking us from the marxist and islamic fronts.
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Way to stand up for relative sanity in your wing – actually planning a post on how I’m tired of seeing pictures of manhattan under water.
“The Posts big tag of Koh and Sharia law is an unsubstantiated overheard and poorly commented handoff from a Koh staffer. The thing is attacking him on being pro Sharia is easily refuted by looking back at some 2007 House testimony he gave.”
The way Obama has been cozying up to Iran, Syria, the “moderate” Taliban and tossing Israel under the bus, Ill believe the staffer.
“The way Obama has been cozying up to Iran, Syria, the “moderate” Taliban and tossing Israel under the bus, Ill believe the staffer.”
aka, I’ll entomb myself in the convenience of ignorance because doing so is much easier than having to test my worldview against the facts.
“aka, I’ll entomb myself in the convenience of ignorance because doing so is much easier than having to test my worldview against the facts.”
You shouldnt be so hard on yourself.
right, because, once again, playing childhood games of “I know you are but what am I” is still just more pleasing of your ego then it is any kind of sensical rationalizing.
“right, because, once again, playing childhood games of “I know you are but what am I” is still just more pleasing of your ego then it is any kind of sensical rationalizing.”
The only thing I have been wrong about Obama is the speed he is destroying this nation. He is a marxist and at minimum a sympathizer to the islamic world. By all his actions, Ill believe he will appoint judges that favor sharia and world law over the Constitution, just like he appoints tax cheats to head the Treasury.
Right, and as soon as the former Constitutional law professor appoints someone who puts into practice Sharia law in defiance of the constitution, I gave you permission to head to my blog and demand i print a mea culpa.
I say this, expecting that you would have some reciprocal method of providing culpability for yourself. I’m guessing you don’t, which is why you continue flapping your lips like the village idiot.
http://www.outtheotherear.wordpress.com
in case you were curious.
“Right, and as soon as the former Constitutional law professor appoints someone who puts into practice Sharia law in defiance of the constitution, I gave you permission to head to my blog and demand i print a mea culpa.”
Obama is a Constitutional law professor? Now I have heard everything. LOL I guess Constitutional law professors hire tax cheats and fire CEO’s. My mistake.
But dont worry, its allready happening. Liek judges saying that private companies must abide by a muslims prayer requirements.
I bet Koh would approve of this judge enforcing Sharia law in the US. I wonder if Marc would also.
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/04/poultry-processor-ordered-to-pay-215k-to-somali-immigrants-add-second-paid-break-so-muslim-employees.html
So, after years and years of debate over whether or not prayer should be allowed in the schools, and in the workplaces, because this time its Muslim prayer and not Christian prayer, you think its not covered by the 1st amendment?
Anyway I’ve returned to notice I failed to offer the link to the pdf. http://www.internationalrelations.house.gov/hearing_notice.asp?id=800
Problem solved.
I have also noticed that Elric has taken the post and it’s thread away from it’s main point. I dare say it would be of little comfort to Mr. 66 that the EEOC judgement in the Mn. chicken case is based on a law passed in 1964. He may or may not care to note that the organizations Chapter 12 of their compliance manual on religious discrimination is full of case histories of the agency siding with Jews and Christians. I confess having a sincere personal prejudice against this agency and was pleasantly surprised to such things. I too have fallen victim to the well reported outrages of the bureaucracy to the point that I had failed to note the good news.
Elric as I stated in the post. There are a number of reasons to have grave concern over Mr Koh in my opinion. I actually don’t care if he gets the gig at State since I am kinda hoping he goes there and Obama and Clinton hide behind his advice (counsel) and fail miserably in applying any type of leadership. That will spell doom for them and only temporary hardship for our sovereignty.
Btw the judge in the chicken case was appointed by a judge appointed by Ronald Reagan
Marc,
I wasnt aware that it was ok for judges to dictate to private corporations on how to run their business. Whats next? They have to provide footbaths? Banning pork from the lunch room? When does it end with muslims?
“That will spell doom for them and only temporary hardship for our sovereignty.”
Not really. We still suffer from decisions and appointments made by FDR and LBJ.
Elric,
I wasn’t aware corporations got to dictate how we all practice our religions.
Elric,
I wasn’t aware corporations got to dictate how we all practice our religion.
They dont. If you dont like the hours work somewhere else. Interesting you didnt say where it stops. Should muslim truckers be exempt from hauling shipments that have pork? Should a muslim women be exempt from dealing with male customers? Should companies install footbaths? Come on where does it end Marc?
Italics = Alfie:
Interesting you didnt say where it stops. Where the law says it should and by law I mean US Code Should muslim truckers be exempt from hauling shipments that have pork?According to the law the employee should be up front about possible issues. Of note there was a lawsuit in 04 I think regarding a beer shipment. btw have you forgotten the scanned my pork thing already ? Should a muslim women be exempt from dealing with male customers? Again the scanned pork thing as well as no. Unless you think a muslima is going to apply for a job at a massage parlor or strip club (btw they probably wouldn’t do that ) it’s just not reality based Should companies install footbaths? Footbaths are an excellent example of how a company would probably be facing an unreasonable accommodation and even EEOC would side with the employer
“According to the law the employee should be up front about possible issues.”
So? Muslims knew when the breaks were and still sued after the fact.
“Footbaths are an excellent example of how a company would probably be facing an unreasonable accommodation and even EEOC would side with the employer.”
Dont be so sure and you think an employer giving muslims paid extra break times to pray is “reasonable”?
“Unless you think a muslima is going to apply for a job at a massage parlor or strip club”
No I was thinking of places like a bank because a friend told me a story about how a muslim woman got someone else to handle a male customer.
Oh and CAIR is fired up, here comes more stealth jiahd.
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/04/as-expected-cair-pretty-fired-up-about-goldn-plump-losing-court-case-to-muslim-immigrants-demanding-.html#comments
Actually the employer doesn’t need to give “extra” breaks – muslim prayer isn’t that long. Probably just need to agree to break them up different – not a ton of hardship.
And “this one time my friend told me” is barely an argument, never mind an academic one. Neither does your story make sense. Strict interpretations of Islam don’t just forbid women from interacting with men, they forbid them with interacting with all men outside their family. This story would only be plausible then if the only men working at the same bank were family, and then if that’s the case, who cares what rules they set out for their family run business? More likely then, is that she wasn’t following a strict interpretation and there was something up with this particular man – even those who don’t follow a strict interpretation are told to avoid men who stare at them to much or compliment them to highly.
But guess what, we have other laws, pertaining to sexual harassment, which allow all women to avoid these situations anyways.
Which leads me to conclude that still, Elric, you’re full of shit.
“On Tuesday, a federal judge approved a $1.35 million religious discrimination settlement against Gold’n Plump Inc. As part of the settlement, the company will add a paid break to accommodate prayer in the workplace.”
I guess Marc can’t read
“Which leads me to conclude that still, Elric, you’re full of shit.”
I’m crushed
Yeah Elric but you’re missing the reality that the judge would’ve ruled in favor of a Christian,Jew or Hindu. Did you even look at the Chapter 12 link ?
The reality is that Christians, Jews or Hindus dont pray 5 times a day and arent pushing their religious practices into the work place where it disrupts a businesses work schedule.
well that’s actually a lie. the EEOC has defended Christians that have needed time off for Good Friday for example whilst also finding against Christians who were disciplined for active evangelism on the clock. I think it would be earth moving for you if you’d do it but I think you and many others should not blame Muslims for your lack of a faith commitment.
Wow, Good Friday. One day a year vrs an extra paid break a day. Good one.
You’re showing your ignorance.
“You’re showing your ignorance.”
Ah, no that would be you.
I’ve always given you the time to make your relevant and sometimes irrelevant points. If you deny that you should stop dropping by. I take the time to engage you with the thought that you at least take in the comments of others. I don’t expect you to agree with me all the time. I do expect you to open up a bit though and understand when I give an example like the Good Friday thing and implore you to look at a supplied source of info I’m far from offering “one example”. I’m not trying to waste your time please don’t waste mine.
Right well, say Elric, as a Catholic, I make a promise to myself not to eat or handle meat over lent. I work at a restaurant, but in a managerial role away from food. The restaurant gets busy though, and they tell me to go help in the kitchen.
Is this tough shit for me?
Not my fault you are comparing apples and oranges. At least I didnt say “you are full of shit” like your other guest.
And as I pointed out, CAIR isnt satisfied with this, they will keep pushing as they and other like muslim groups do. Shall we go into student text books used in public schools that give greater respect to islam over Christianity? How islam is being pushed in public schools?
“Right well, say Elric, as a Catholic, I make a promise to myself not to eat or handle meat over lent. I work at a restaurant, but in a managerial role away from food. The restaurant gets busy though, and they tell me to go help in the kitchen.”
“Is this tough shit for me?”
Yep
good, well then we’ve established your knowledge of constitutional rights is about zero, and what you say from here on out amounts to about buptkiss.
“good, well then we’ve established your knowledge of constitutional rights is about zero, and what you say from here on out amounts to about buptkiss.”
Not my fault you decided chose of your own free will not to handle meat while working in a restaurant. Just like you have the free will not to respond to my posts since I know “buptkiss”.
The world’s so simple for you isn’t Elric, of course simple people usually have a simple understanding. I could quit, I have the free will right to work, and even to starve I guess, but as thats not choice one, I guess I have the free will in this case to choose between violating my religious beliefs and starving. Of course I could also live off the government dole, but I’m going to guess you’re going to say I have the choice to work and not feed off the underbelly of society – not something I’d like to do either.
What happens, when subjected to a tyranny of oversimplifications like yours Elric, is poor pissed off people like me start shooting at people like you and fighting breaks out – instability in societies. Dictators are usually the kind of people who boils things down the most often between simple rights and wrongs.
Which is why we stress tolerance and freedom of religion.
“Which is why we stress tolerance and freedom of religion.”
Does that include towards a “religion” that is neither tolerant or teaches freedom of religion towards other religions?
For example
“Warning the Palestinians against engaging in “suspicious real estate deeds,” the religious leader said that according to Islamic teachings it was a “grave sin” to sell houses and lands to Jews.”
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/04/usfunded-palestinian-authority-death-to-those-who-sell-land-to-the-joooos.html#comments
“I guess I have the free will in this case to choose between violating my religious beliefs and starving.”
You also have the free will to choose to abstain from something else besides handling meat like not posting on blogs and still meet your religious beliefs. Perhaps that is too simple for someone as cosmopolitan such as yourself.
Ha Ha,
Alfie did you catch that? He called me cosmopolitan.
I currently live and work in rural NE Alabama as a conservationist. Spend most days outside, meeting with farmers. I hunt, fish, camp, never lived in a city my entire life. Give it up.
Also:
“The documents, filed Wednesday in Boulder District Court, said witnesses told authorities that Derik Bonestroo walked into a building at work, fired a gun into the ceiling and said: “If you’re not Christian, you’re going to die.” General manager Brian Mahon was shot and killed Dec. 30 at the ski area west of Nederland, Colo., in Boulder County.Witnesses said when Bonestroo asked Mahon’s religion, Mahon said “Catholic” and Bonestroo shot him twice: in the chest and head. Mahon is believed to have died instantly. Other employees ran out the back door of the ski employee’s meeting area and fled into the woods, describing an additional four to five shots being fired.”
If you’re looking for religious violence you’ll find it. Sure, Islam now has greater instances of violence, but hardly across the arc of history. Neither does either story change the fact that both Jesus and Mohamed advocated everybody turn the other cheek. Doesn’t mean people have gotten any better at it since then, and arguably Muslims less so.
However, the guys asking for more breaks a day to lay down a prayer rug and kneel aren’t stoning their wives to death or strapping on bombs and heading into cafes. They just want to pray. We judge individuals in this country, not groups. Should I be judged because a white guy hauls off and shoots his wife? No. Neither is your comparison fair.
“Neither does either story change the fact that both Jesus and Mohamed advocated everybody turn the other cheek.”
I cant believe you even wrote that. Mo advocated turning the other cheek? The warlord, conquer, thief, pedophile, slaver owner advocated turning the other cheek?
Derik Bonestroo wasnt practicing the teachings of Jesus but OBL is practicing the teachings of Mo.
“However, the guys asking for more breaks a day to lay down a prayer rug and kneel aren’t stoning their wives to death or strapping on bombs and heading into cafes. They just want to pray. We judge individuals in this country, not groups. Should I be judged because a white guy hauls off and shoots his wife? No. Neither is your comparison fair.”
They can pray at home or in their mosque. They are paid to work not to pray. Your comparison isnt fair because I am judging ideologies not skin color.
See there it is again…
YOU can pray at work too. What are you jealous or something simply because the Muslims do it ? I can’t stress enough that any weaknesses in one’s faith is the problem of that individual not others that adhere to their faith. Next time you go to McDonalds or what have you say a little noticeable grace over your burger and fries. Then look around at how some of the people look at you. Or is it fear of that that keeps you from doing it in the first place ?
Not for nothing but this post has been pinged all over the place and the thread is so far away from the intent of the post I don’t know how much longer I can keep the comments open. If the thread closes feel free to go to the In2RandomRants page.
“YOU can pray at work too. ”
They sued to get extra paid breaks to pray.
“What are you jealous or something simply because the Muslims do it ?”
No
“the thread is so far away from the intent of the post.”
Its CAIR sueing for Sharia Law in the work place which they have said they will push for more. So it is within the context of the thread.
Interesting you didnt comment on Marc’s claim that Mo advocated turning the other cheek.
cos⋅mo⋅pol⋅i⋅tan
/ˌkɒzməˈpɒlɪtn/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [koz-muh-pol-i-tn] Show IPA
–adjective
1. free from local, provincial, or national ideas, prejudices, or attachments; at home all over the world.
2. of or characteristic of a cosmopolite.
3. belonging to all the world; not limited to just one part of the world.
4. Botany, Zoology. widely distributed over the globe.
–noun
5. a person who is free from local, provincial, or national bias or attachment; citizen of the world; cosmopolite.
has nothing to do with living in a city.
So Elric….A final post related question. Of the things you can hit Koh on ICC,ASMA, Patriot Act,FISA etc do you concede his support of Sharia isn’t one ?
“So Elric….A final post related question. Of the things you can hit Koh on ICC,ASMA, Patriot Act,FISA etc do you concede his support of Sharia isn’t one ?”
No.