Cleaning the Street… 10 December ‘07
In very short order I filled the notepad and my head with items to post on,. Outside there is a total coating of black ice and I’ve really no outdoors commitments today sssssoooooo…..
Venezuela-What time is It ?
Well a half hour different than US EST. Is this Hugo flexing his ego,more anti-gringo stuff or as the government in the big V says:
“This is a public health measure that benefits the health of Venezuelan men and women and, above all, boys and girls,” the government’s official news agency said. IHT
Policy Asunder Down Under…
The new Rudd government is making good on some of it’s promises. See, there was a poorly named policy in place under Howard that took “asylum” seekers to remote islands for processing. Human rights group pointed out a number of deficiencies these camps had and quite frankly the system seemed more than a bit broken. The bad name Pacific Solution a little to Final Solution for me. Am I nuts ? I will say this though the vast amount of people trying to get into Australia aren’t asylum seekers. They’re illegal immigrants escaping crap and trying to get a better life. Call it what it is ,and don’t be ashamed to protect the sovereignty of your nation-just do it right. Story
Underclass Cycling:England…
I could surely find a story like this in the States but I found this one. It hits home for me because it says more in what it doesn’t mention than it does. I just wanted to share it and point out the missing.
As calls are made for sex education to be compulsory in all schools Kizzy Neal, 15, is one teenager with a lot on her plate – exams, boyfriends and looking after her seven-month-old son. BBC
So here is a girl facing much but dealing with boyfriends. Plural. Given past history where can that go ? Where’s the child’s dad ?
So the reality is there is a culture in the world that accepts uncommitted sex.The predominant outcome of this is a cycle. This is especially true in nations that have entitlement programs that are little more than a public teet that the underclass latches onto and is then numbed into apathy and doomed to perpetuate the cycle. On a human level I wish this kid and those in the same sit well . The problem is I’ve waded in this pool and have seen how it usually plays out.
Is this Guy “Black”
He has won a lawsuit against the MA. State Police for illegally detaining him. He refused to identify himself at Boston’s Logan Airport. He was questioned and allowed to go on his way. He complied when the first trooper got backup. The makeup of the police was predominantly black. The juror that awarded the guy a victory was all white. Is the local paper just race baiting ? Was it wrong for this guy to be profiled ? Was he profiled because he looked black or…._______. Yeah that’s what I thought. BTW the guy is a ACLU lawyer. I think he played this well don’t you ? Boston Herald
**Photo= non credited AP photo located at linked article.
Neo Conned ???
The SCOTUS is looking at the legality of detaining people under combatant status. The Court heard a case Boumediene v Bush that the govt. defended as not worthy of being heard and that the detained individual was a keeper.
For the Supreme Court hearing arguments last week in Boumediene v. Bush, that should not even be a relevant issue. (Lakmar Boumediene is an Algerian who emigrated to Bosnia in the 1990s. He was arrested for plotting to attack the U.S. embassy in Sarajevo and turned over to the U.S military.) If it is lawful to imprison captured enemy operatives without trial until the end of hostilities, as it has been for centuries under the laws of war, then it should not matter how long they’ve been held. Thus did Solicitor General Paul Clement gamely counter that emphasizing the six-year delay serves only to “cloud the basic constitutional question before this Court.” WS
I personally agree with detaining those we find in combat situations on the fields of battle in Iraq and Afghanistan. I don’t agree with the military taking those into custody people from law enforcement pick ups in other geo- locations. This guy was essentially extradited to US custody for plotting a civil-terrorist attack. missteps like this discredit the military and causes anti-American groups to gain credibility on the issue.
If I can’t get a comment out of this menagerie I just don’t know.
***opening image Library of Congress. over 100 years old,non profit use,likely that is covered via public domain
Elric,
I see by your silence you have accepted that you are a raving nutball without a drop of integrity or honesty about you.
A good start to 2008 I guess. Congrats!
Do you see the word “evil”?
Do you deny the 60 years of Occupation of Gaza and the WB by Israel?
You brought up what you claim Muslims do in the name of religion (honor killings), I merely countered with what Jews have done in the name of religion (establish a religious state in a land already inhabited by those of a different religious persuasion).
Once more, see how easy it is for you to be exposed as the raving nutball you are once one starts applying logic universally?
“No, you never called me an anti-semite. You just claimed I started ranting about evil Jews (I never did). ‘
“No, you don’t see Jews undertaking honor killings. However, you do see them brutalizing Arabs for 60+ years in the OT and murdering Arab civilians with impunity as they are “cockroaches”.”
Whatever
“once you started ranting about the evil Jews”
No, you never called me an anti-semite. You just claimed I started ranting about evil Jews (I never did). T Here is some advice if you want to convert more to your ideology of hatred, try and keep your lies straight.
Once more, who has the greatest record of violence in the 20th century? The West or the Muslim world?
See the problem is you try to rely on emotional arguments and selective facts. By presenting the big picture, all your sophism dissolves in an instant to reveal the ideology of hatred behind it.
“Wow, it seems I really hit a nerve with you. Thanks so much for your rants as it shows the rest of the posters here what a dyed in the wool nutbar you are.”
No ranting here
“BTW I never said that the West murdered in the name of Xtians. I just indicated the FACTUAL reality that the Wesat, and many of those who identify themselves as Xtian, have been the greatest purveyors of violence in the modern era.”
Big difference between the West which was founded on Judeo/Christian values and Islam which does oppress and kill in the name of Islam. But please dont let that distinction stop you.
“And yes, I do support the Palestinian cause of self-determination which means that in the eyes of a certified lunatic such as yourself I am an anti-semite. LOL!”
I guess that “self-determination” includes genocide as Hamas TV was calling out to do on a children’s show. You know, the same Hamas that was elected by the Palis. Oh, and I never mentioned you were an anti-semite.
Elric,
Wow, it seems I really hit a nerve with you. Thanks so much for your rants as it shows the rest of the posters here what a dyed in the wool nutbar you are.
BTW I never said that the West murdered in the name of Xtians. I just indicated the FACTUAL reality that the Wesat, and many of those who identify themselves as Xtian, have been the greatest purveyors of violence in the modern era.
Your tiny mind cannot accept that so you lash out like a rabid dog.
And yes, I do support the Palestinian cause of self-determination which means that in the eyes of a certified lunatic such as yourself I am an anti-semite. LOL!
Editor/blog owner In2thefray is neither BDE or Elric . I said I don’t mind people interacting/engaging. I am even open to a level of edginess others won’t tolerate.With that in mind this was too much.
BDE’s favorite people
Hamas Threatening Christians to Convert…
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2007/08/hamas-threateni.html
Hmmmmm… I wonder if it was Buddhist or Quaker terrorists. What does everybody else think? Steph? You think all cultures are religions are equal. Care to take a stab at it?
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2007/12/failed-london-c.html#comments
Children on Hamas TV tout genocide
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019133.php#comments
The people BDE supports. How dare the Jews fight back.
LOL. Couldnt name one war where it was a war done in the name of Christianity or to spread Christianity? Like I said……..A LIE
LOL Still the Paliphile huh? Blame the evil Jews for defending themselves from homicide bombers and rockets shot into civilian towns.
So why wont you name your Yahoo ID? Scared? Of course once you started ranting about the evil Jews, that does narrow it down quite a bit. Thats ok, remain the coward. All you Paliphiles were cowards anyway.
Elric,
“I find it ludicrous that you focus on the violence of Islam when the greatest purveyors of violence in this world label themselves Xtian.
Thats quite a lie… ”
Exactly how is this a lie? The numbers are clear. “Xtians” and the West have been the greatest purveyors of violence in the 20th and early 21st centuries.
WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Kosovo, Iraq; the body count keeps adding up and the source of it is our civilized West.
No, you don’t see Jews undertaking honor killings. However, you do see them brutalizing Arabs for 60+ years in the OT and murdering Arab civilians with impunity as they are “cockroaches”.
I’m not denying that Islam needs reformation or that Muslims are capable of violence. Why are you denying that the same holds true of the “civilized” West? The answer, of course, is that you are a hate filled bigot who applies logic selectively, cherry picks facts from history and ignores those facts that don’t coincide with your xenophobic, hate filled ideology.
Its really quite simple.
Another
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2007/12/71-pakistani-ma.html#comments
I dont see Jews strangling their daughters over not wearing a religious piece of clothing nor honor killing them.
Here is a perfect example of Islam and its treatment of women
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019147.php#comments
“I find it ludicrous that you focus on the violence of Islam when the greatest purveyors of violence in this world label themselves Xtian.’
Thats quite a lie and you didnt tell me what ID you used on the yahoo MB.
Elric,
Your reaction to my post summarizes exactly what I am referring to. You see Islamic bogeymen under every bed, around every corner and you yearn to inflict violence on the bogeyman.
So if the Koran says bad things about infidels, then all Islamic philosophy is poisoned? All Muslims evil? Do you apply the same logic to the Jews and Judaism (go back and read your Old Testament)? Or is your hatred selective?
I find it ludicrous that you focus on the violence of Islam when the greatest purveyors of violence in this world label themselves Xtian.
In reference to women, the Koran is only building on Judaic beliefs and traditions!
Genesis 3:16 “thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee”.
But of course, you will conveniently ignore that in your desire to spread your message of hatred and violence towards the “other” that you fear. Why the free pass for non-Muslims? Because you are a non-Muslim and a hypocrite.
BDE,
So what ID did you use on the yahoo MB?
I use the Qur’an, the hadiths, and Islamic history as my guide for Islam. That makes me a hated filled bigot? Ironically the Qur’an is filled with hate and oppression against non believers. What would you call the Qur’an?
I find it ludicrious that you are focused on me for being a “hate filled bigot” but give Islam a free pass.
“Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great. ”
Am I hateful for quoting that?
Elric,
How am I a hypocrite? I just stated a fact. You are a hate filled bigot; nothing more.
You embody the mindless flag waving “patriot” that the neocons rely on to destroy American civil liberties a piece at a time. You fully buy into the myth of the Muslim monster; a myth created straight out of PNAC.
Once again, here’s hoping you can make the world a better place by leaving it.
“Is the greater offense that the complaint was issued or the suspension w/ pay was meted out ?”
the complaint of course. Not that Im excusing the suspension. Honestly, I think these things are done out of fear. No one thinks twice about offending Christians but everyone walks on eggshells as not to offend Muslims. Why is that? Let me quote Lawrence O’Donnell, MSNBC Senior Political Analyst
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019110.php#comments
@ colecurtis thanks for taking the time to add a comment.I have to say I agree that the legal profession has availed itself to those that will gladly use it. I wish in the US we would pass some laws that essentially allows people to still have their day in court but be awarded damages immediately from frivolous or “fishing” suits. @ Elric: 1. not saying the forces under Mehmed didn’t do the barbaric spoils of war thing,just saying they weren’t the only ones to do so in the same city. Not even offering that as a moral relevance thing just saying war is not the activity that finds any humans at their best.The perils of “e” communicating on the run. 2. The porter story. On one hand I imagine you accept that varying faiths tweak general use prayer spaces. The full article in my eyes shows great potential for the person to return to work and he is supposedly out with full pay. Is the greater offense that the complaint was issued or the suspension w/ pay was meted out ? 3. Teddy Bear comment: I’m not getting it but you would say of course not. I don’t see where the guy directly links Gibbons charge to the greater feeling of injustice Muslims have re: Western “transgressions” . in fact he seemed to point out that the prosecution was unfounded. I don’t agree with his other complaint I’m just not getting the absolute villainy on his part.
I think that everyone is abusing the systems all the way from a parking ticket to the supreme court. Everyone is sue happy and in actuality the only ones that are happy at the end of the day is the attorneys, because they are making all the big bucks. They are the ones that have advertisements any hour of the day or night telling you who and why to sue. The judicial system has become a victim of itself, the medical community, the pharmaceutical companies as well as any other entity that offers anything up to the public. Any of these can become the victim of the two-edged sword which is in effect themselves.
Hamza Yusuf: Muhammad Teddy Bear Madness was our fault
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019134.php#comments
Well isnt it always the dirty kaffirs fault?
Again, the United Kaliphate
Porter in row over crucifix
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1028228_porter_in_row_over_crucifix
Quite the hypocrite arent you BDE?
Im sure you doubt its about religion, Euros sold out their religion so how would you recognize something caused by Islam?
“The death of 300,000 Armenians wasn’t a genocide, according to mainstream historians, like Norman Stone, Bernard Lewis and Justin McCarthy, with no pro Turkish bent.”
Sure it wasnt. But I understand, you dont want to offend your future masters. No problem
@ i2tf
I agree, there are issue in some Muslim communities, especially the Kurdish one, with honour killings but when I looked into it worldwide I saw there were more honour killings per capita in the US, only they weren’t called honour killings they were killed spousal murders. There are no figures available in any western country for the number of adultery (or cheating on a partner) related homicides there are each year but I bet they would make interesting reading.
I don’t think any of this excuses Muslims who murder women in the name of Islam but domestic violence is “blind to colour or creed”.
@ Elric
I doubt it was just about religion. Inter knocked Fenerbahce out of the UEFA cup didn’t they? That might have something to do with it but what is this supposed to prove. Jews have tried to have the swastika banned all over Europe. I don’t support the banning of any symbol but other people have got the right to make their case.
The death of 300,000 Armenians wasn’t a genocide, according to mainstream historians, like Norman Stone, Bernard Lewis and Justin McCarthy, with no pro Turkish bent.
LOL!
Its that loon Elric who once posted his vile hatred on the yahoo MBs.
I hope all is well with you Elric and that you die soon for the betterment of the world.
This should be interesting to say the least.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019113.php#comments
Like I said, she was a poor Muslims and got strangled for it. But hey, its just a teenage thing as the Canadian Islamic Council said. So maybe Im wrong.
“Elric would you concede that this girl was interacting with schoolmates and at least on the surface being part of the community. So right there she was either doing great work in the dawa front or violating those hadiths that say don’t hang with the infidels. my point is either this father was effed up regardless of his religion. i won’t start on how there are Muslims speaking out against the guy.”
She was a poor Muslim and daddy killed her for it. yeah, I have seen some of those speaking out. Talk about taqiyya.
Apples and Oranges Fray.
This guy killed his daughter because she REFUSED to wear the HIJAB.
These priest, unless I am wrong, didnt raped those boys because of some religious reason, they were pedophiles.
Nice try to compare but your analogy falls flat.
I don’t think it does but I’m biased. You’re missing my point. The father didn’t kill the girl for a whole lot of reasons. He singles out hijab. The Western clothes,friends etc.nada. There is very little I’ve come across that even shows the family does the whole mosque thing. My point is the father seems to have killed for reasons in his head. that is exactly the same as the priests. They used their positions to access the children and to protect them from being found out. They used,in many cases, the premise of right and wrong good and evil ya know the whole biblical based stuff to confuse and confound the kids into silence. As if rape by an adult doesn’t do it enough. Let’s be clear I’m way up near the front of the line when it comes to being outraged about “honor” killings etc. What I’m saying is this doesn’t strike me as being the same thing. i’m thinking daddy’s an a hole and in his sickness thinks he has a defense with the hijab thing.
@ Steph…
Yeah it is except from those that want to look at it in a different manner on purpose. I saw a write up of a pastor of unspecified denomination who was up on charges of domestic violence. Did he do it because of his church/calling ? Of course not, he did it because he’s a -hole. Same thing in Boston with the priests that sexually assaulted the kids. Many of those actions were homosexual in nature but the media just paints it all pedophilia. Bottom line no matter what – it wasn’t something that comes with the cross and Bible. It is because humans can indeed tend to suck. People want to see what they want to see. i could pluck other similar incidents but that’ll do for now.
Following the fall of the city, Mehmed allowed three days and nights of murder, rape and pillage by his Turkish soldiers. No one was spared. Even priests, bishops, nuns, monks and women and children were attacked and killed in the onslaught.
http://australianorthodox.org.au/resources.php?selected=Teaching%20Spot&recordID=40
At least the guy could get his facts straight since the Crusades were well over before Constantinople fell.
“I don’t want the public to think that this is really an Islamic issue or an immigrant issue,” said Mohamed Elmasry of the Canadian Islamic Congress. “It is a teenager issue.”
Talk about disgusting. These people have no shame whatsoever.
Italy Soccer Officials “Astounded”by Muslim Lawsuit
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2007/12/italy-soccer-of.html
Im not, are you? How dare those dhimmis wear crosses at home. But then Im offended by the Armenian genocide and the raping of nuns at Haga Sophia
Blog owner here. Just going to interject some integrity and rule play…
Ooops. Seems it wasn’t Muslims raping nuns. Though I don’t condone atrocities committed by anyone I have to insist ya’ give credit where credit is due. As for the lawsuit. It will probably be a loss for the plaintiff.
Steph,
I believe whats written in the Qur’an, hadiths, sunnas and history of Islam. Do you or you rather whistle past the graveyard?
Half of Scots see Muslims as ‘cultural threat’ in wake of terrorist attacks
http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1935952007
Seems the Scots dont believe it
As for the poor girl being strangled, why do you ignore that it had to do with Islam? Thats the problem with you multiculturalists. You see all cultures as equals. No wonder sharia law will soon be British law.
Blog owner here…
Elric would you concede that this girl was interacting with schoolmates and at least on the surface being part of the community. So right there she was either doing great work in the dawa front or violating those hadiths that say don’t hang with the infidels. my point is either this father was effed up regardless of his religion. i won’t start on how there are Muslims speaking out against the guy.
@ Elric
Is domestic violence “blind to colour or creed” in Canada?
@ Elric
Sure there are real issues, the 7/7 bombers considered themselves Muslims but you are ready to believe anything negative about Muslims, even when it comes from a ponce, who makes money from men ejaculating in the faces of teenage girls, young enough to be his granddaughters. So it’s not me who is in denial.
I live in East London, I know lots Muslims, and if you believe the UK is on the path to being a Caliphate, then you’re delusional. The MAB (Muslim Brotherhood) in Scotland is actively invovled in Scottish Nationalism.
Ahhhh the joys of multiculturalism. No culture is better than another, right?
Canadian Muslim leader: Girl murdered by father for refusing to wear hijab a victim “of domestic violence, a problem that cuts across Canadian society and is blind to colour or creed”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019122.php#comments
Yeah strangling a girl for wearing a hijab “cut across Canadian society and is blind to color or creed” Once again Muslims fail to own up to the violence and intolerence inherant in Islam.
Steph,
With all the dhimmification going on in the United Kaliphate is perfectly believable. You can continue to live in denial but your leaders sold out your country, culture and soul with your multiculturalism utopia. How does it feel that in a decade or 2, sharia law will rule? Make you feel proud?
Steph please stop saying all of those nasty things, you will make me lose my professionalism….:)
@ Elric
This was in the Daily Express, the same Daily Express owned by Richard Desmond, proprietor of publications such as, “Spunk Loving Gangbang Sluts #2″, “Print Shop Pussy”, “Anal Kommando”, “Sweep Ya Bitch Up Adult”, “Cream Dream”, “Cock Hungry Whores”, “Lesbo Girls”, “Hot Totty”, “Single Sex”, “Up Your Way”, “Pussy Malone”, “Teacher’s Pet”, “Nineteen Video Magazine” or “Butt Quest”.
The proprietor of publications that inform us that “it’s amazing how much jizz a gangbang slut can drink!” isn’t my idea of a reliable news source, especially when his rag is notorious for racism, Islamophobia and Diana conspiracy theories.
From: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2258664.ece
I will tell you a couple of things. I’ve worked in health care and it’s pretty important to find the right time and place to eat. it’s calming,professional and hygienic. Another thing is that it wasn’t total and or direct orders. Last. I had some very devout Catholic friends and intimates and during Lent they’re a pain my arse but it’s something I deal with it on a human level.
Sure Fray. Are they the same hospitals who told the employees not to eat in front of Muslims during Ram-a-bomb?
YOU NO DOUBT ARE REFERRING TO THIS :
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/27213/Nurses-told-to-turn-Muslims-beds-to-Mecca
it’s interesting to see the paper take that tilt.
Another source in touch withthe hospital goes like this:
from here .It’s not out of line and is consistent with providing chaplain services.
“they nab men of a certain age to collectively punish the population.”
Awwwwww…….snifff…..
BTW how is the hospital bed turning towards Mecca going Steph?
@ i2tf
Well we do agree then. We have the same situation in the UK, the working class has been replaced by the non working class, as Britain’s underclass. I’m going to write a post about it later.
@ i2tf
Thanks, I’ve just used the tag on my latest post.
The prison was Bagram. I think the uprising is a poor excuse, there has been an uprising at Gitmo and the US was never going to be overrun there.
The problem of overcrowding isn’t helped by the fact that Bagram was used as holding centre for detainees rendered from third countries. Most the people held in Gitmo weren’t picked up in theatre and all the prisoners released have been innocent.
The reality is that America had effectively kidnapped over 83,000 by 2005, and there are 35,000 detainees in Iraq, about 20,000 of those are in US custody and haven’t committed any crime, they’ll be released without charge and won’t provide useful Intel, the Americans are adopting internment as a coercive system, they nab men of a certain age to collectively punish the population. But when it’s in Iraq, it gets mentioned but it hardly gets noticed – it doesnt draw the heat that 35,000 detainees in Gitmo would.
I agree with you that Gitmo is more symbolic, there are less than 1000 detainees there.
Thanks Steph. I believe in safety nets not hammocks or nets that ensnare people. Over here that seems to be the thing we can’t work out. You get on public assistance and if you try to baby step off of it via getting a job etc. you get whacked with losing your aid. (that’s the snare) How the hell are people supposed to get off then ? On the other end I’ve personally seen people that essentially live their lives off the public roll. They pass their “wealth of knowledge” to their kids and they do it too. (that’s the hammock)
I believe in free ed,I ideally believe the private sector could use public funds and educate the kids better.Health care, my big issue is how litigation and subsidies have such an impact on the cost of health care keeping the costs up and preventing people getting it.
@i2tf
I think we partly disagree on the welfare state, I believe in social housing, free medical care (to a point), free education but I agree with your general point, that nannying is controlling and encourages social irresponsibility. The reason there are so many teenage girls deliberately getting pregnant in the UK, is because they can get a council flat and pick up income support for staying at home and not looking after their kids. The state is paying them to prostitute themselves. If the State didn’t, would so many underage girls be knocking out kids?
The story about a woman denied unemployment benefits because she wouldn’t work in a brothel is untrue but maybe it shouldn’t be. If these girls knew the moment they turned 18, they wouldn’t get benefit if they refused to work in a licenced brothel, I seriously doubt that so many of them would be getting pregnant.
That is rendition, let other countries interogate. But then, I wouldnt trust the Sauds or Yemenese take care of their jihadists, would you?
Saudi Guantanamo inmates released, “reintegrated,” treated like VIPs back home
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019089.php#comments
I didn’t use the “R” word. I meant more nations are actually willing to take care of their own bad guys themselves so we shouldn’t have too.
Oh great you are suggesting “rendition”. They dont like that either. If we dont have the will to do this ourselves, how do we expect to win?
Elric just to close out that piece of the post. I don’t think the eventual closure of Gitmo is a bad thing. I also think there are a number of stable and potentially stable governments around the globe that now more than ever have a willingness to question and imprison terrorists. How or if this war shifts with a new Administration is something we’ll need to wait and see.
Steph & Obromophile…Thanks again. As I stated and will restate now I could find this story in the US for sure. In fact that is where I’ve seen it up close and personal. It has always boggled my mind how those that say they care about people are seemingly the same people that help to assure the “safety net” that ensnares people. I’m not saying people are not responsible for their actions but a key part of the cycle is the lack of social restraint (group morality) and no consequences. The latter being the big lie perpetrated by the aforementioned care bears. There are consequences and those breed new ones and so on and so on.
So the solution is…. wait for it… teach children about abortion?!?!
Hello! How about “Don’t have sex when you are 13, because you WILL get pregnant, and your baby daddy WILL run off, and you WILL have a hard time finishing your education.”
Yuck?
“The fact that we release people is the simplest answer”
That inclde the one that went out and killed again?
“Again the release. Second the US has said so. Third the initial influx of detainees at Guatanomo were just that. Not actually properly “triaged” suspects”
Well some knew enough to rejoin jihad and the fact that we are scared to even waterboard doesnt compell jihadists to cough up info.
“Seriously though people that believe they are fighting a war will tend to do that.”
Thats why you dont release them.
“My point is Guatanomo was meant for a very specific purpose and as that rolls back it nears closure.”
Closing it will be a big mistake. This war will be going for years and you need somewhere to house and interogate jihadists.
Kizzy Neal is underage, she was 13. Nobody was prosecuted because the official age of consent is 16 but the de facto age of consent is 13 in the UK, there is virtually no chance that a man who has consensual sex with a 13 year old girl will be prosecuted unless she supports the prosecution. When my cousin was at Amie was at school, she felt she was told use contraception, and anal sex was as safe as vaginal sex. There are schools that want to dish out contraceptives in the class room. Maybe saying to a girl if you have sex before you’re legal you’re a slapper is what we should be doing, we shouldn’t be rewarding this. Lots of these girls get pregnant to get out of school so they can get a council flat and live off benefits.
Hey Steph thanks for stopping by. I would say the initial Afghanistan combat especially the uprising/assault at the overcrowded prison (name escapes me now) was a good impetus to start up Gitmo. The instability of the theatre prevented the “law enforcement” angle of further identifying Taliban/Al Qaeda. The closing part of your comment is in line with my position and to some degree the reality. On a complete side please consider tagging an occasional post of yours WordPress Political Blogs. It would add an international/intellectual flair to the tag made up of an “alliance of bloggers that is growing but trending Right/US see sidebar image Political blog
Hostilities are officially over in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US military has no legal right to detain any prisoner from those conflicts. They should have all already been released. It puzzles me why the Bush administration was so stupid, as to create Gizmo, they could have held every prisoner they captured in Iraq or Afghanistan, and released them into the custody of the Iraqi or Afghan governments, meaning they stay in the same jails. Anyone picked up from other geo locations ought to have due process under criminal law.
A little thread housekeeping…Bold is commenters and italic is blog owner
“Not everyone at Gitmo is guilty.”
How do you know?
The fact that we release people is the simplest answer
“Not everyone at Gitmo has any chance of coughing up useful info.”
How do you know?
Again the release. Second the US has said so. Third the initial influx of detainees at Guatanomo were just that. Not actually properly “triaged” suspects
“Not all return to the battlefield”
So? How do you know who will or wont. Get a promise?
I was just stating a fact. Those that have been found back in theatre are obviously guilty of fighting. Seriously though people that believe they are fighting a war will tend to do that.I would also say that those that weren’t legit detainees get a pretty good impetus to be angry-angry enough to fight I don’t know.
“it’s not a prisoner of war camp as much as NYT and their allies want people to view it.”
So where do you house captured jihadists?
Where did you find them ? A large amount of those found in Iraq and Afghanistan stay locked up there. You catch one in the streets of NY you keep them there. My point is Guatanomo was meant for a very specific purpose and as that rolls back it nears closure.
Not everyone at Gitmo is guilty.Not everyone at Gitmo has any chance of coughing up useful info. Not all return to the battlefield.ironically to those that universally oppose the US and Gitmo many we’ve tried to repatriot to home countries refuse to take them. Ultimately the post was not about those at Gitmo but about a person who should of stood trial and been imprisoned elsewhere. As for the timely manner/ war over point of view. Gitmo is meant for those identified as potential threats and credible holders of information. it’s not a prisoner of war camp as much as NYT and their allies want people to view it.
We clear people and they return to the battlefield. You do know what too, right? And whats a “timely” manner? We are at war, we dont have to release them till the war is over.
Im not to concerned about our postion globally. The world hates us no matter what. No matter what we do to please others, its not enough. But other nations get free pass after pass. I want us to win and could care less of world opinion, especially in the Islamic world.
My point being very case specific here. The guy in question was picked up by law enforcement in a sovereign nation. I would’ve liked to see a civil prosecution of this guy. I think it would’ve been of higher value to the US position globally.I also think this guy is of no value to us in Gitmo. I believe in Gitmo I just want the right people there. Gitmo has proven to be a bit of a SNAFU. We clear people,(MSM won’t tell you that) but not in a timely manner and then our repatriation efforts get jammed up.
“I don’t agree with the military taking those into custody people from law enforcement pick ups in other geo- locations.”
AFP,AP and some others have policies that scare me even with the fair use clause of copyright law.(see About & Policy page) I ramped up the asterik thing not because I think my little blog is anything but Google for one has started capturing images and that skews the credit issue imo. I don’t ever want to be accused of libel,infringement,or just being a schmuck
I notice you use asteriks to CYA.. I wonder if I should start paying more attention to that over at D=S???
Its a war for civilization. If the enemy is going to hide in civilian clothes, hide under a “reliigion”, we must adjust.
Ed note…expand on that please.What part of the post etc.